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If the problem is to generate money (and this is just a product of my crazy imagination and the desire to see a sexually unbridled Sophia) Dylan in his desire to see his mother with little or simply no clothes ... convinces Sophia to do it an ONLYFANS (I swear that for that I would pay to subscribe)
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Greetings, my friend!
A very correct and professional question, Talcum Powder!
It immediately becomes clear that you understand the issue and correctly understand the process of mining bitcoins! This is commendable, my friend.
But it's also absolutely clear that you haven't read my AWAM-based fan story.
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Hi Bane71, the fanfic is quite long and you're right, I haven't read it, I didn't even know if its existence. If you have a doc version of the whole thing I'd be happy to find some time to read through it, clicking through the various links in reverse order is less attractive to me.
To be honest, I don't understand much of anything about mining bitcoins, except that it's a huge capital investment to build a computer that can make it worth while. If you can get up and running with enough capacity then it can pay off, that's pretty clear.
If it's really a long-term wealth building platform then why are their admins also the owners and admins for BitDonix, an earlier and almost identical set up that has seen its "donor" base growth rate slowing down?
Some recommended reading:
Ultimately, this looks like a very traditional and unoriginal get-rich-quick scam in structure, with the allure of bitcoin and easy money as bait. If it works for you, great, it's a free world, do as you please, but but this is a hard no for me.
I genuinely think the debt is a bizarre storyline to have in this particular visual novel. Losing the house? Yeah, it does happen to people in real life, but in the context of this game that's going nuclear when it isn't necessary. Not only that, it's unoriginal and subverts Sophia's agency and is writing ones-self into a corner, one you can't get out of without introducing even more fantastical story elements (the rich brother in law can bail us out? teasing the don's brother will help? lame).
I think the FW route (if we consider it a direct opposite of the GW route) would be better served by Sophia getting fed up with Liam's lying about his trips to the casino and the amount of money he's losing. Maybe they have to give up their fancy cars and downgrade to mid-range domestic models, cut back on some extravagances and luxuries (fewer nights out, cheaper wine and liquor, cancel Liam's extended cable TV subscription, change to a more economical family cellular plan). Of course, this is all boring and banal, right? A bit too realistic, perhaps?
Conversely, the GW route would be better served by Sophia investing in Liam's treatment for his addiction, getting the kids involved (though that probably doesn't work if they are just tenants) being supportive and bringing him back into the family unit as a fully engaged parent and spouse.
A very correct and professional question, Talcum Powder!
It immediately becomes clear that you understand the issue and correctly understand the process of mining bitcoins! This is commendable, my friend.
But it's also absolutely clear that you haven't read my AWAM-based fan story.
(Here is the last part:
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Hi Bane71, the fanfic is quite long and you're right, I haven't read it, I didn't even know if its existence. If you have a doc version of the whole thing I'd be happy to find some time to read through it, clicking through the various links in reverse order is less attractive to me.
To be honest, I don't understand much of anything about mining bitcoins, except that it's a huge capital investment to build a computer that can make it worth while. If you can get up and running with enough capacity then it can pay off, that's pretty clear.
Bane71, this is a self-proclaimed multi-level marketing scheme. Multi-level-marketing is a market tested wording for pyramid scheme. How this is listed as a not-for-profit is quite beyond me. They rely on an ever increasing number of "donors" (subscribers? required fees? the system puts bitcoin directly in your wallet but also is able to withdraw and make payments directly from your bitcoin wallet? You have to grant them that permission? say that again slowly, please?) from which they skim than finding and distributing bitcoins to its members.
If it's really a long-term wealth building platform then why are their admins also the owners and admins for BitDonix, an earlier and almost identical set up that has seen its "donor" base growth rate slowing down?
Some recommended reading:
You must be registered to see the links
You must be registered to see the links
Ultimately, this looks like a very traditional and unoriginal get-rich-quick scam in structure, with the allure of bitcoin and easy money as bait. If it works for you, great, it's a free world, do as you please, but but this is a hard no for me.
I completely agree, there is no way Dylan will be able to make a dent in what looks like hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt, which is due in a matter of weeks. Other than eavesdropping or a careless off-hand remark I don't see how Dylan or Ellie would ever find out. I can't think of a compelling reason why Sophia or Liam would burden their kids with this info.
I genuinely think the debt is a bizarre storyline to have in this particular visual novel. Losing the house? Yeah, it does happen to people in real life, but in the context of this game that's going nuclear when it isn't necessary. Not only that, it's unoriginal and subverts Sophia's agency and is writing ones-self into a corner, one you can't get out of without introducing even more fantastical story elements (the rich brother in law can bail us out? teasing the don's brother will help? lame).
I think the FW route (if we consider it a direct opposite of the GW route) would be better served by Sophia getting fed up with Liam's lying about his trips to the casino and the amount of money he's losing. Maybe they have to give up their fancy cars and downgrade to mid-range domestic models, cut back on some extravagances and luxuries (fewer nights out, cheaper wine and liquor, cancel Liam's extended cable TV subscription, change to a more economical family cellular plan). Of course, this is all boring and banal, right? A bit too realistic, perhaps?
Conversely, the GW route would be better served by Sophia investing in Liam's treatment for his addiction, getting the kids involved (though that probably doesn't work if they are just tenants) being supportive and bringing him back into the family unit as a fully engaged parent and spouse.
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It's months, not weeks in which the debt to Morello is due. Without any additional time jumps, by playable day 30 Liam will still have 2.5 months to pay off the debt. And he only needs to negotiate an extension of a month before his promotion. Or he can swallow his pride and ask Carl for help.Hi Bane71, the fanfic is quite long and you're right, I haven't read it, I didn't even know if its existence. If you have a doc version of the whole thing I'd be happy to find some time to read through it, clicking through the various links in reverse order is less attractive to me.
To be honest, I don't understand much of anything about mining bitcoins, except that it's a huge capital investment to build a computer that can make it worth while. If you can get up and running with enough capacity then it can pay off, that's pretty clear.
Bane71, this is a self-proclaimed multi-level marketing scheme. Multi-level-marketing is a market tested wording for pyramid scheme. How this is listed as a not-for-profit is quite beyond me. They rely on an ever increasing number of "donors" (subscribers? required fees? the system puts bitcoin directly in your wallet but also is able to withdraw and make payments directly from your bitcoin wallet? You have to grant them that permission? say that again slowly, please?) from which they skim than finding and distributing bitcoins to its members.
If it's really a long-term wealth building platform then why are their admins also the owners and admins for BitDonix, an earlier and almost identical set up that has seen its "donor" base growth rate slowing down?
Some recommended reading:
You must be registered to see the links
You must be registered to see the links
Ultimately, this looks like a very traditional and unoriginal get-rich-quick scam in structure, with the allure of bitcoin and easy money as bait. If it works for you, great, it's a free world, do as you please, but but this is a hard no for me.
I completely agree, there is no way Dylan will be able to make a dent in what looks like hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt, which is due in a matter of weeks. Other than eavesdropping or a careless off-hand remark I don't see how Dylan or Ellie would ever find out. I can't think of a compelling reason why Sophia or Liam would burden their kids with this info.
I genuinely think the debt is a bizarre storyline to have in this particular visual novel. Losing the house? Yeah, it does happen to people in real life, but in the context of this game that's going nuclear when it isn't necessary. Not only that, it's unoriginal and subverts Sophia's agency and is writing ones-self into a corner, one you can't get out of without introducing even more fantastical story elements (the rich brother in law can bail us out? teasing the don's brother will help? lame).
I think the FW route (if we consider it a direct opposite of the GW route) would be better served by Sophia getting fed up with Liam's lying about his trips to the casino and the amount of money he's losing. Maybe they have to give up their fancy cars and downgrade to mid-range domestic models, cut back on some extravagances and luxuries (fewer nights out, cheaper wine and liquor, cancel Liam's extended cable TV subscription, change to a more economical family cellular plan). Of course, this is all boring and banal, right? A bit too realistic, perhaps?
Conversely, the GW route would be better served by Sophia investing in Liam's treatment for his addiction, getting the kids involved (though that probably doesn't work if they are just tenants) being supportive and bringing him back into the family unit as a fully engaged parent and spouse.
One thing I have always found curious, similar to the point Bossk makes here, is that the only route(s) that actually requires the Casino path are the lesbian ones. That in the Ellie and Patricia routes Sophia is developing an attraction to women, only to have an event that requires Sophia to flirt with a guy (Larry)
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I don't understand why Sophia shouldn't tell her children about her father's guilt. That she has not done it so far is in my opinion only because she protects Liam and trusts in spite of everything and that both spouses believe that with the use of Sophia in prison the debt problem is solved. Even before the debt problem, Liam had asked Sophia to look for a part-time job to ease her financial situation. So if it turns out that Morello does not waive the money but only changes the repayment terms, the family's financial situation remains tense. Even Elli's request for new clothes, for example, could make it necessary to explain the situation. So if Sophia is also upset because she has found out that Liam has been to the casino several times, she will also tell the children the real reason for the current financial burden on the family. For me it would be an elegant method to find another reason why, for example, Dylan has no problem at all with taking away Sophia Liam. That Dylan then feels obliged to support his family by looking for part-time work is a normal reaction in such a situation. That would end the Morello story, but the direction in which it drives the narrative is of great importance.completely agree, there is no way Dylan will be able to make a dent in what looks like hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt, which is due in a matter of weeks. Other than eavesdropping or a careless off-hand remark I don't see how Dylan or Ellie would ever find out. I can't think of a compelling reason why Sophia or Liam would burden their kids with this info.
I genuinely think the debt is a bizarre storyline to have in this particular visual novel. Losing the house? Yeah, it does happen to people in real life, but in the context of this game that's going nuclear when it isn't necessary. Not only that, it's unoriginal and subverts Sophia's agency and is writing ones-self into a corner, one you can't get out of without introducing even more fantastical story elements (the rich brother in law can bail us out? teasing the don's brother will help? lame).
I think the FW route (if we consider it a direct opposite of the GW route) would be better served by Sophia getting fed up with Liam's lying about his trips to the casino and the amount of money he's losing. Maybe they have to give up their fancy cars and downgrade to mid-range domestic models, cut back on some extravagances and luxuries (fewer nights out, cheaper wine and liquor, cancel Liam's extended cable TV subscription, change to a more economical family cellular plan). Of course, this is all boring and banal, right? A bit too realistic, perhaps?
Conversely, the GW route would be better served by Sophia investing in Liam's treatment for his addiction, getting the kids involved (though that probably doesn't work if they are just tenants) being supportive and bringing him back into the family unit as a fully engaged parent and spouse.
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How would Dylan get a job that could support the Parker's lifestyle? With two years for him to finish high school, the best he could likely get is a minimum wage something or other.
Him getting a part-time weekend job would I think add to his character development though.
Exactly, the problem is not the money itself. Carl will help when it is absolutely necessary. If Liam can't overcome his pride, Sophia will ask herself. Just to protect the family. From that point of view, Morello is never really a threat. But it should be a building block to explain the growing distance between the two spouses and why both children try to cheat on their father with Sophia and have not the slightest doubts. No love for her father!
Exactly, that's what I mean. It would be a symbolic amount. A family can bring food for the week as little as 100 euros. And he wasn't going to make any more money.
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I'm going to call bullshit on some of this, question some, and agree with the last bit:
Parents should not burden their children with their problems nor should they blame one or the other, it is a failing of the family unit regardless of the individual actions. Sophia absolutely should not tell her children anything that points the finger at Liam as the cause of their financial problems unless there is a new branch on the FW route called "VC", or vindictive cunt.
No, Sophia should not tell Ellie about WHY they are making prudent spending decisions. Parents should not deflect blame to external factors for any decision they make as this directly undermines the very authority under which they make decisions based on what they think is best.
You think Dylan is trying to "take Sophia away from Liam"? I always thought of it as a horny teenager with an Oedipal complex who isn't capable of understanding or caring about the collateral damage. I think he wants to take Sophia and doesn't really care who he's taking her from... Hmmm...
I always thought the mom aspect was the appeal and the dad aspect was completely irrelevant to Dylan's thought process, it never occurred to me that hating on Liam, let alone hating on him even more, would somehow increase Dylan's motivation or determination.If it does play out that Sophia rats out Liam to the kids and Dylan somehow convinces himself to take on the man of the house role and actively works to push his father out of the picture could be interesting and would definitely be significant to the overall story.
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A few weeks, a couple of months, either way it's a dumb and uninspired storyline IMHO.
That is a great post - I haven't seen a reference to the Bechdel-Wallace Test since undergrad, a course called "Women in Literature". With that perspective in mind, yeah, it's more than just annoying that dick keeps getting injected into the lesbian route(s). Maybe the author is trying to paint the pursuit of lesbian relationships as a struggle to escape the pervasiveness of male sexual dominance in women's lives and in its representation in our culture? A meta-meta concept? I wouldn't put it passed him, he does have a good sense of subtlety and subtext.
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While Sophia might not openly blame Liam for their financial difficulties, especially as you point out in front of Dylan and Ellie, but she certainly might in her many internal monologues. We might have to start double-checking which is being applied.I'm going to call bullshit on some of this, question some, and agree with the last bit:
Parents should not burden their children with their problems nor should they blame one or the other, it is a failing of the family unit regardless of the individual actions. Sophia absolutely should not tell her children anything that points the finger at Liam as the cause of their financial problems unless there is a new branch on the FW route called "VC", or vindictive cunt.
No, Sophia should not tell Ellie about WHY they are making prudent spending decisions. Parents should not deflect blame to external factors for any decision they make as this directly undermines the very authority under which they make decisions based on what they think is best.
You think Dylan is trying to "take Sophia away from Liam"? I always thought of it as a horny teenager with an Oedipal complex who isn't capable of understanding or caring about the collateral damage. I think he wants to take Sophia and doesn't really care who he's taking her from... Hmmm...
If it does play out that Sophia rats out Liam to the kids and Dylan somehow convinces himself to take on the man of the house role and actively works to push his father out of the picture could be interesting and would definitely be significant to the overall story.
I don't recall when it was first mentioned, but I've certainly raised that one of the reasons I see no reason to play the Dylan and Sam routes is that there is simply no reason given in-game for Sophia to consider risking her marriage (and income) to play the events. There isn't even any risk to Dylan if Sophia decides not to do Aiden's tasks.
So the theories about Dylan (or Sam for that matter) gaining significant income are likely not directed at Dylan or Sam having any ill will towards Liam, but more at members attempting to present characters as financial alternatives to Liam in Sophia's eyes.
Of course that isn't an issue for those playing the Nathalie, Ellie or Patricia routes, since Liam likes the idea of a threesome with Nat, and the Ellie and Patricia routes are so intertwined, that if Liam had a problem with either of those two, Carl would simply take Sophia and Ellie in, assuming Dylan is at boarding school.
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Well I'll keep believing in my bullshit. Thank you for the honest answer. That I don't burden my children with the family's financial situation applies to their family but not to mine. Children are not stupid and can see connections.I'm going to call bullshit on some of this, question some, and agree with the last bit:
Parents should not burden their children with their problems nor should they blame one or the other, it is a failing of the family unit regardless of the individual actions. Sophia absolutely should not tell her children anything that points the finger at Liam as the cause of their financial problems unless there is a new branch on the FW route called "VC", or vindictive cunt.
No, Sophia should not tell Ellie about WHY they are making prudent spending decisions. Parents should not deflect blame to external factors for any decision they make as this directly undermines the very authority under which they make decisions based on what they think is best.
You think Dylan is trying to "take Sophia away from Liam"? I always thought of it as a horny teenager with an Oedipal complex who isn't capable of understanding or caring about the collateral damage. I think he wants to take Sophia and doesn't really care who he's taking her from... Hmmm...
If it does play out that Sophia rats out Liam to the kids and Dylan somehow convinces himself to take on the man of the house role and actively works to push his father out of the picture could be interesting and would definitely be significant to the overall story.
Especially since Dylan and Elli of the virtual Parker family are no longer 6-year-old children who could be mentally damaged and, on the contrary, should know a little more about the seriousness of life.
The only reason parents don't expose each other in front of their children is because this is a single mistake, no matter how big it may be, because it is the worst way to resolve a conflict. Just like L&P does in its narrative. But possible multiple casino visits by Liam could change the picture of the situation for Sophia.
But my theory is not that important to me. I'm finishing this now.
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My sense of both the Sam and Dylan routes is that, even though the player is making a conscious decision to gain FW and Sam and Dylan points, the in-game the events that start Sophia down these paths are innocuous enough at the start and are still relatively harmless. There's some oggling and touching of fabric, and the exposing of boobs and pubes on a couple of occasions, sure. These are very risqué, but they are non-committal in the sense that none of them are even close to a point of no return (unlike, say, the pulling the pre-pubescent pork scene, a point of no return for sure). So up to this point I don't think anything has happened with Sam or Dylan that would make Sophia think she was flirting with disaster.
These theories are pretty darn fanciful if you ask me, not at all plausible or realistic.
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Curious that the lesbian routes don't seem to have the issue of a "point of no return", at least nothing observable yet. I'm guessing since they can't get Sophia pregnant through sex, and that so far the girls have been fairly careful about not getting caught.
My sense of both the Sam and Dylan routes is that, even though the player is making a conscious decision to gain FW and Sam and Dylan points, the in-game the events that start Sophia down these paths are innocuous enough at the start and are still relatively harmless. There's some oggling and touching of fabric, and the exposing of boobs and pubes on a couple of occasions, sure. These are very risqué, but they are non-committal in the sense that none of them are even close to a point of no return (unlike, say, the pulling the pre-pubescent pork scene, a point of no return for sure). So up to this point I don't think anything has happened with Sam or Dylan that would make Sophia think she was flirting with disaster.
These theories are pretty darn fanciful if you ask me, not at all plausible or realistic.
That said, I do only have 18 Filthy points at the moment of the possible 100 odd.
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is moving. nice Sophie/Natalie event is finished!!
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Hi Bane71, the fanfic is quite long and you're right, I haven't read it, I didn't even know if its existence. If you have a doc version of the whole thing I'd be happy to find some time to read through it, clicking through the various links in reverse order is less attractive to me.
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I'm not so seriously interested in fan story, sorry, there is no other way to read it just how to go back to the beginning with the links.
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To be honest, I don't understand much of anything about mining bitcoins, except that it's a huge capital investment to build a computer that can make it worth while. If you can get up and running with enough capacity then it can pay off, that's pretty clear.
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I have been mining cryptocurrency for many years, so I can confirm that this is indeed a troublesome business. Firstly, the equipment for mining is very expensive, and the second costly component of this business is the monthly expenses for electrical energy. Despite this, bitcoin mining is still a profitable business, since the demand for bitcoin is very high.
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Bane71, this is a self-proclaimed multi-level marketing scheme. Multi-level-marketing is a market tested wording for pyramid scheme. How this is listed as a not-for-profit is quite beyond me. They rely on an ever increasing number of "donors" (subscribers? required fees? the system puts bitcoin directly in your wallet but also is able to withdraw and make payments directly from your bitcoin wallet? You have to grant them that permission? say that again slowly, please?) from which they skim than finding and distributing bitcoins to its members.
If it's really a long-term wealth building platform then why are their admins also the owners and admins for BitDonix, an earlier and almost identical set up that has seen its "donor" base growth rate slowing down?
Some recommended reading:
Ultimately, this looks like a very traditional and unoriginal get-rich-quick scam in structure, with the allure of bitcoin and easy money as bait. If it works for you, great, it's a free world, do as you please, but but this is a hard no for me.
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Your no, my friend, is not hard at all! This world is certainly not free at all, unfortunately, but still, thank God, we still have the opportunity to make our choice on many issues.
Very often people do not understand each other, even when they communicate in the same language, let alone the fact that it is difficult to find mutual understanding for people from different countries, different cultures, and so on. Everything that you wrote above does not apply at all to
I personally know the creators of this project and did not give anyone access to my bitcoin wallet.
But it doesn't matter, I understand that you are not interested in this.
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I completely agree, there is no way Dylan will be able to make a dent in what looks like hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt, which is due in a matter of weeks. Other than eavesdropping or a careless off-hand remark I don't see how Dylan or Ellie would ever find out. I can't think of a compelling reason why Sophia or Liam would burden their kids with this info.
I genuinely think the debt is a bizarre storyline to have in this particular visual novel. Losing the house? Yeah, it does happen to people in real life, but in the context of this game that's going nuclear when it isn't necessary. Not only that, it's unoriginal and subverts Sophia's agency and is writing ones-self into a corner, one you can't get out of without introducing even more fantastical story elements (the rich brother in law can bail us out? teasing the don's brother will help? lame).
I think the FW route (if we consider it a direct opposite of the GW route) would be better served by Sophia getting fed up with Liam's lying about his trips to the casino and the amount of money he's losing. Maybe they have to give up their fancy cars and downgrade to mid-range domestic models, cut back on some extravagances and luxuries (fewer nights out, cheaper wine and liquor, cancel Liam's extended cable TV subscription, change to a more economical family cellular plan). Of course, this is all boring and banal, right? A bit too realistic, perhaps?
Conversely, the GW route would be better served by Sophia investing in Liam's treatment for his addiction, getting the kids involved (though that probably doesn't work if they are just tenants) being supportive and bringing him back into the family unit as a fully engaged parent and spouse.
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I suppose it was in vain that the L&P stated its desire to create a game with a realistic storyline. Probably, if he had not done this, we would not have been so demanding on the plot.
Hi Bane71, the fanfic is quite long and you're right, I haven't read it, I didn't even know if its existence. If you have a doc version of the whole thing I'd be happy to find some time to read through it, clicking through the various links in reverse order is less attractive to me.
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I'm not so seriously interested in fan story, sorry, there is no other way to read it just how to go back to the beginning with the links.
[/QUOTE]
To be honest, I don't understand much of anything about mining bitcoins, except that it's a huge capital investment to build a computer that can make it worth while. If you can get up and running with enough capacity then it can pay off, that's pretty clear.
[/QUOTE]
I have been mining cryptocurrency for many years, so I can confirm that this is indeed a troublesome business. Firstly, the equipment for mining is very expensive, and the second costly component of this business is the monthly expenses for electrical energy. Despite this, bitcoin mining is still a profitable business, since the demand for bitcoin is very high.
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Bane71, this is a self-proclaimed multi-level marketing scheme. Multi-level-marketing is a market tested wording for pyramid scheme. How this is listed as a not-for-profit is quite beyond me. They rely on an ever increasing number of "donors" (subscribers? required fees? the system puts bitcoin directly in your wallet but also is able to withdraw and make payments directly from your bitcoin wallet? You have to grant them that permission? say that again slowly, please?) from which they skim than finding and distributing bitcoins to its members.
If it's really a long-term wealth building platform then why are their admins also the owners and admins for BitDonix, an earlier and almost identical set up that has seen its "donor" base growth rate slowing down?
Some recommended reading:
You must be registered to see the links
You must be registered to see the links
Ultimately, this looks like a very traditional and unoriginal get-rich-quick scam in structure, with the allure of bitcoin and easy money as bait. If it works for you, great, it's a free world, do as you please, but but this is a hard no for me.
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Your no, my friend, is not hard at all! This world is certainly not free at all, unfortunately, but still, thank God, we still have the opportunity to make our choice on many issues.
Very often people do not understand each other, even when they communicate in the same language, let alone the fact that it is difficult to find mutual understanding for people from different countries, different cultures, and so on. Everything that you wrote above does not apply at all to
You must be registered to see the links
. I personally know the creators of this project and did not give anyone access to my bitcoin wallet.
But it doesn't matter, I understand that you are not interested in this.
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I completely agree, there is no way Dylan will be able to make a dent in what looks like hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt, which is due in a matter of weeks. Other than eavesdropping or a careless off-hand remark I don't see how Dylan or Ellie would ever find out. I can't think of a compelling reason why Sophia or Liam would burden their kids with this info.
I genuinely think the debt is a bizarre storyline to have in this particular visual novel. Losing the house? Yeah, it does happen to people in real life, but in the context of this game that's going nuclear when it isn't necessary. Not only that, it's unoriginal and subverts Sophia's agency and is writing ones-self into a corner, one you can't get out of without introducing even more fantastical story elements (the rich brother in law can bail us out? teasing the don's brother will help? lame).
I think the FW route (if we consider it a direct opposite of the GW route) would be better served by Sophia getting fed up with Liam's lying about his trips to the casino and the amount of money he's losing. Maybe they have to give up their fancy cars and downgrade to mid-range domestic models, cut back on some extravagances and luxuries (fewer nights out, cheaper wine and liquor, cancel Liam's extended cable TV subscription, change to a more economical family cellular plan). Of course, this is all boring and banal, right? A bit too realistic, perhaps?
Conversely, the GW route would be better served by Sophia investing in Liam's treatment for his addiction, getting the kids involved (though that probably doesn't work if they are just tenants) being supportive and bringing him back into the family unit as a fully engaged parent and spouse.
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I suppose it was in vain that the L&P stated its desire to create a game with a realistic storyline. Probably, if he had not done this, we would not have been so demanding on the plot.